In 2015 Mark Pattison & Helen Fisher founded WithNot4, formally R2 Employ. Helen & Mark brought over 50 years of experience between them working and advocating for people with disabilities.

WithNot4 was established in response to families wanting to engage & be able to manage support staff of the highest calibre with their NDIS funding. The establishment of WithNot4 brought together Helen & Mark’s beliefs and values of self-determination and the right of people with disability to live valued and meaningful lives their way.

For Helen & Mark it was a personal journey to ensure their children received and were supported by a service of the highest quality adhering to these values.

Sadly, Mark passed away 9th November, 2023, following a battle with cancer.

Throughout his lifetime Mark was an unrelenting force championing for the rights of people who live with disabilities. This was especially true for those who live with intellectual disabilities. His passion and commitment for advocacy is a true reflection of Mark’s character. The impact his work had on the disability community cannot be understated.  

WithNot4 acknowledges and honours the lasting impression Mark has left. In his & Helen’s name we continue to work for justice, equality and independence. Mark was never afraid to have those challenging discussions to bring about positive change. This is part of his legacy, and it will always remind us what we are working towards and for at WithNot4.